Conditioning; Weight training

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For some reason the idea of weight lifting is often controversial within the Parkour community. There are myths about weight training that seem to be upheld by many people; namely that its dangerous, pointless, that the same gains can be made from bodyweight and that it will make you too heavy/slow when training.

Firstly addressing the dangerous idea; Any movement is dangerous when not executed properly, technique is paramount when training. Many traceurs will tell you this themselves, this is just as important when lifting weights especially when large weight loads are straining your body. With good technique any dangers are minimised. Parkour places HUGE stresses on your body, weight training can help prepare your muscles for these huge stresses and protect your body.

Pointless?; Weight training can give you huge strength gains from a short workout; often I can spend less than an hour in the gym and come out feeling much more 'worked out' then if I had been training Parkour for a few hours. The gains I have had from strength work like this is quite large, I went from having an average jump to having one of the larger jumps in my community quite quickly. My legs are extremely strong now and with doing Weighted Squats and Deadlifts my jump has increased. Also the point raised above: it has prepared my muscles for the high impact Parkour demands, I can land larger jumps and feel less impact as my muscles are able to protect me better.

Comparison with bodyweight; What makes more sense; hundreds of bodyweight squats or 5 weighted squats? 5x5 weighted squats can be done in 10minutes whereas hundreds of squats will take ages. Bodyweight definitely has its place, I'm not downplaying this. I personally do both forms of exercise; bodyweight and weights. However, I feel that weights have a really powerful practical application to Parkour and that everyone can benefit from them. Bodyweight progressions like handstand push ups and planches are really important but also so are weighted progressions like squats. Similar gains can be achieved from both ways, but bodyweight will take much longer. It could even be seen as inefficient to achieve the goals that Parkour needs?

Heavy or Slow when training; This is a myth, this will only become true when it gets to extreme levels and that requires practitioners to be building for size, whereas in Parkour pure strength gains are what we are looking for. Pound for Pound powerlifters are extremely strong and light, strong and light is something that appeals to the Parkour community.

Opinions on weight training?

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I see no problem with going to a gym to work out as part of one's training. Its probably just the guys who spend more time thinking about parkour and watching videos than actually training that say things like that.

  • omercan's portrait
  • glasgow - United Kingdom
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i have no problem with weight training either i just don't enjoy working out in a gym, being outside seems more enjoyable to me...more MovNat style of conditioning is what i enjoy doing.

david, i think there's one problem with your reasoning; doing 5 weighted squats and hundreds of bodyweight squats are not the same thing. 5 weighted squats is not a substitute for the latter, but rather an efficient way of building pure explosive strength whereas doing 400 squats non-stop will build endurance and resilience in your legs. all these factors are important for movement so i think doing both types of training is necessary rather than thinking one can substitute the other.

i have started doing my bodyweight exercises with a weighted vest on, recently and i must say it absolutely made a difference on my overall strength and fitness.

cheers!

  • keerin's portrait
  • Arbroath - United Kingdom
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I've always been against weightlifting in parkour but only because of the idea that people won't lift properly and lift like a bodybuilder rather than for parkour - this happens in combat sports so much.

If someone is going to lift to supplement their training I would advise reading about lifting as deeply as you have read into parkour. Both are similar in that as a traceur you are exploring movement for yourself and following your own personal progression and in lifting weights you are also only working to your own personal goals and limits.

If someone is sensible and lifts properly, I don't see why not. movnat involves lifting weights, just in a different setting really. stone vs dumbbell!

omercan
i have no problem with weight training either i just don't enjoy working out in a gym, being outside seems more enjoyable to me...more MovNat style of conditioning is what i enjoy doing.

Yeah man its obviously all personal opinion! You could buy some weights yourself and play outside with them , but thats pretty expensive in the long run.


david, i think there's one problem with your reasoning; doing 5 weighted squats and hundreds of bodyweight squats are not the same thing. 5 weighted squats is not a substitute for the latter, but rather an efficient way of building pure explosive strength whereas doing 400 squats non-stop will build endurance and resilience in your legs. all these factors are important for movement so i think doing both types of training is necessary rather than thinking one can substitute the other.

Ahh but weights DO build a lot of resistance in your legs. Weights train your legs to take big poundage, did you see in Fight Science when they had Illabaca on that when he did a backflip off a scaffolding the weight at which he landed was 900lbs! Which is like 3 times his bodyweight. Weights can help prepare your legs for that especially with progressive loads, hunners of bodyweight squats wont help as much.


i have started doing my bodyweight exercises with a weighted vest on, recently and i must say it absolutely made a difference on my overall strength and fitness.

cheers!

Definitely man, Blane trained with a vest on for his bodyweight and hes a strong mofo!

keerin
I've always been against weightlifting in parkour but only because of the idea that people won't lift properly and lift like a bodybuilder rather than for parkour - this happens in combat sports so much.

Thats always going to be a problem in every activity, people just need to be educated. Thats hardly a reason to say its a bad idea.

  • keerin's portrait
  • Arbroath - United Kingdom
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That's the only reason I was against it though

  • Inari's portrait
  • Leixlip/Maynooth/Dublin/Kildare - Ireland
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This is something I've always found amusing...Parkour, developed as a conditioning method, and it's evolved into us conditioning for a conditioning method.

I have absolutely nothing against training with weights, but for some reason both sides of the argument are elitist. Bodyweight and Weight. Bodyweight testifies that it's more real, and better training for the mind/mental/spirit, whereas weight testifies its gains. The thing both sides seem to forget is that weight training and bodyweight training are RESISTANCE TRAINING. Both are the same, you're just using resistance to train yourself. You can do a front/army/military press with a barbel, or you can do a handstand press up.

Keerin above said it best. People see weight training as a quick fix, and tend not to train it with good technique...but at the same time, that's rampant in Parkour (as we all know).

Hehe, just watch this Naruto episode starting from 12th minute and see, what you can do with the proper weighted training.
Naruto 48th Episode English Dubbed
Of course it's only a cartoon, but you really can improve your speed and make your body much stronger with weighted training.

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