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DOODLEaCUPCAKE Miami - United States Posts: 22	# 30 march 2010 at 23:00 I have had a run in with a few personal trainers and I find them to be very useful, even if I am not using their services. I see them as a light to the dark public when they have no where to turn when they have run into a blockade in their search for a healthier lifestyle. However, just like all other practices and disciplines there are good ones, mediocre ones, and just flat out bad ones. Unfortunately I have ran into a really bad one at this gym I wish to join, thing is the bad trainer owns the gym. I am asking for your input or views on this incident because to me this guy is a waste of human resources and time. I stupidly ask if he had a weighted vest seeing as how it is both a weight gym and MMA gym, he says no, I turn to walk away then he stops me. "What do you want a weighted vest for?"; "Bulgarian splits sir"; "What are you doing those for bro?"; "Parkour conditioning sir, just trying to get my lower body stronger and general strength all around, that's why am here." He ever so boss-like says "Nah bro, come into my office here stop this shuts off treadmill you don't need that shit man." I walk in, he sits me down. "So what the fuck are you looking for bro? Why are you here?" I say how I am trying to condition for parkour, how I want to be efficient, and I am not looking to get big. The man goes off on some tangent of how fat he was, curses some more, tells me how he has #1!!!! trainers in his gym, how he trains #1 UFC fighters, how he can get me even bigger, how I should stop and just go into Jiu Jitsu, curses some more. I try to tell him what I want he then says: "Yea you have already told me what you want 5 times already, you're wasting my fucking time bro, that shit of low reps with bigger weight is shit that died in the 80's bro, you don't know what you want man." He turns to a friend of mine who came in the office with me and started talking to him about Jiu Jitsu based on his size and previous experience. This made me realize that; shit I don't know anything, I need to re-think my whole approach to everything. So I ask you now if you have any links, nutritional, physical, or even spiritual articles that you have used please send them to me. I want to learn all that I can in the facet of self efficiency. This guy is now my inspiration for learning all the ways that I can, so I cannot be so narrow minded on just one practice.
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Ivano Paris - France Posts: 436 Moderator	# 30 march 2010 at 23:16 Hey, DOODLEaCUPCAKE! (what's with that nick? ^^) They way you put it, the "trainer"-guy doesn't look any good to me. Isn't there any other gym you may go look for?... The thing is, you seem to take this parkour-conditioning really seriously, I'm impressed! But could you please me tell why? Because personally I can sum up my conditioning in 4 words "squats + pushups + pullups + outdoor training". EDIT actually that makes five ^^ Are you sure you DO need to go to a gym on top of that? Sincerely, ivano. PS: I'll fulfill my answer tomorrow, but I can bet that a guy named andi will show up before that! Peace. Не уверен? Не делай. Pas sûr? Fais pas. Not confident? Don't.
DOODLEaCUPCAKE Miami - United States Posts: 22	# 31 march 2010 at 07:41 Hey Ivano, well am guessing 'nick' would be my name, it was given to me actually by a few classmates of mine, its really 'Cupcake' but I used to play xbox live a lot so I was SPACEDOODLE on there. So I just meshed the two names together for all the forums, and youtube accounts ever since. Yes I want to go to the gym because at the LOW level I am at, I cannot even do one kip up. So I take it damn seriously so that I can really be efficient, and up to my own standards both in endurance and power. I understand that some traceurs treat weights like they are a filthy tampon but I have learned through a friend and research that weighted exercise truly helps develop power, especially explosive weight training. No I cannot go to any other gym that offers $32.53 a month, that price is as good as it gets down here in Miami, FL.
PierrotLL Laval - France Posts: 20	# 31 march 2010 at 11:42 I totaly agree with Ivano, you don't need anyone to start your training. Just take your sneakers and go run outside. And when you see an interesting wall, try to climb it, every day ! Make some pushups on awakening, climb some obstacles every days, and you will become stronger and more agile. Training in gym is good to gain weight and muscle, not to gain efficient and experience. The guy who you talking about, in gym, doesn't seem open minded. He's stong, but what about speed, agility and spirit? If you want to become a tracer and learn the parkour teaching, the gym isn't your way. (Excuse my english)
Ivano Paris - France Posts: 436 Moderator	# 31 march 2010 at 14:08 yop DOODLEaCUPCAKE! (first of all, I'd like to make it clear that everything I say is my "humble opinion", based on what I've learned or felt, on my experience or just instinct/intuition.) Everything that I am going to say now is to be read SUPPOSING you ARE a beginner. (that is to say, being able (or not) to do a kip-up doesn't make you a tracer. Ever. To my opinion it is not even relevant of your physical condition...) -------------------------------- Note: "kip-up" est le "saut de carpe" en francais... quand on est allongé et on se relève d'un saut, "à la Jackie Chan" -------------------------------- Now, about the weights. If you are really a "beginner" (no offense, of course) as you seem to claim, then using weights is too early for you. I think. Because the best power training you can get is by only using your own bodyweight. I'm not the one who invented that, Jean-Claude VanDamme or Arnold Schwarznegger said this before Moreover, considering we're talking about parkour, it is clear that you should ONLY start with your own bodyweight. The basic reason is that it allows your muscles, your joints and eventually your bones to get used to all the new types of movement implied by parkour practicing SLOWLY, step by step, without forcing them. Supplementary weight can be used only in advance training, when you really DO need to extend your jump length or height. But IMHO you do not need it to get started; and you won't need it for at least one year of training. Personally I respect weight training: to jump higher (when playing volley-ball) I used to live with weights on my ankles, and it really helped! But I also felt that my back was under heavy pressure (cramps etc) after one week of walking with those... That meant I wasn't prepared good enough... To sum this up: parkour is an outdoor "sport" and if you wish to practice it, I think that working with your own bodyweight in the street is more than enough to begin with. Peace. Не уверен? Не делай. Pas sûr? Fais pas. Not confident? Don't.
Ivano Paris - France Posts: 436 Moderator	# 31 march 2010 at 14:18 PierrotLL [...]Just take your sneakers and go run outside. And when you see an interesting wall, try to climb it, every day ! Make some pushups on awakening, climb some obstacles every days, and you will become stronger and more agile. Training in gym is good to gain weight and muscle, not to gain efficient and experience. [...] +1 As I said: pushups, pullups and squats gives you some power (much power I you really want to ), while outdoor training gives you experience, stamina and spirit. Не уверен? Не делай. Pas sûr? Fais pas. Not confident? Don't.
FsmAwsome Ashdod - Israel Posts: 23	# 01 april 2010 at 14:26 the only right thing this trainer said is get off the treadmill... treadmills are a waste of time... as for the bulgarian splits dont use a weighted vest , use a barbell. if you want to knwo more about strength training i highly recmmomend buying (or ripping of the interwebs like poor people like me do) the book Starting Strength (2nd edition) by Mark Rippetoe, the book talks about a regime following the same name which is the best regime i know to get strong but even fi you dont want to do it there is a lot of information about training strength training and nutrition on the book in addition to supremely good anlysiss of various lifts and lots of myth-busting.
David McFadyen Glasgow - United Kingdom Posts: 36	# 01 april 2010 at 15:50 Everyone who talks down weighted training is uneducated
omercan glasgow - United Kingdom Posts: 7	# 01 april 2010 at 17:08 i haven't done any proper weight training myself, but i've seen people who do weights with their parkour training and it seemed to be working for them so i think its about finding your own way of conditioning. i personally do bodyweight workouts, loads of quadrupedal movement, and squats/pistols, push-up variations, pull-up variations. i use a weighted vest sometimes with these exercises to make 'em more challenging. if you're a beginner to parkour, start with bodyweight training and once you feel like you want to advance beyond that (i don't think you have to necessarily but we all have different approaches so keep an open mind) try weight training and don't go to a gym where the trainer is speaking like the bloody "dog the bounty hunter" (for some reason, while reading your transcript of the events, i thought of him!) peace
Ivano Paris - France Posts: 436 Moderator	# 01 april 2010 at 18:58 FsmAwsome, David McFadyen and omercan +1 to everything Не уверен? Не делай. Pas sûr? Fais pas. Not confident? Don't.

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